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WalrusTexas Posted 5 months ago
Esteemed colleagues,

Rob suggests that graffiti and murals are not architecture, so we should reject pictures where the subject is really the artwork rather than the wall that supports it, especially since there are other groups for graffiti and murals. I’ve considered doing this, but haven’t made it a consistent practice.

What do you think?

PS feel free to start threads on other moderation issues. We can make them unsticky when resolved.
Bob Gundersen Posted 5 months ago
As one who was charged with cleaning walls of this sort of 'art', I say take it down as simple vandalism. No one, even "artists", have a right to scribble on someone else's property - don't promote it to the world in such a great Flickr Group.
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Robert E C Posted 5 months ago
Well said, Bob.
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WalrusTexas Posted 5 months ago
Bob Gundersen:
I’m leaning toward avoiding photos where the subject appears to be graffiti, since it’s not architecture.

How about decrepit storefronts—occupied or otherwise—in old European cities? The ruins of old gas stations scattered across the American West? Many of those will have attracted graffiti. I’m inclined to accept photos of dead or run-down buildings, regardless whether they have been vandalized,

That said, we don’t see much of that here. The community appears to be much more interested in living buildings.
The Real Frank Lynch Posted 5 months ago Edited by The Real Frank Lynch (member) 5 months ago
IMO, if the point of the group is architecture, shots of graffiti and street art aren't architecture and should be rejected; but if they are on a building which would qualify for the group if the architecture was there AND the graffiti isn't the focus, I would keep it. So I'm in line with the "we should reject pictures where the subject is really the artwork rather than the wall that supports it" sentiment.
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daniellatif Posted 5 months ago
Totally agree
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Robert E C Posted 5 months ago Edited by Robert E C (moderator) 5 months ago
Hey Boss, what's the official opinion on photos posted with no title and no indication of location (other than tags? I've approved a couple this morning, pending your ruling.
Cheers from DownUnder.
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WalrusTexas Posted 5 months ago
Robert E C:
No requirement for title or location, in the spirit of “Unlimited”. In case of uncertainty, you can mark them “save for later” and/or post them in this thread for discussion, as [url].

Happy to discuss a list of requirements that might be published for the membership. So far the simple description seems to be working. Also, now that we have global moderation, we might consider lifting the “30/60” limit. Thoughts?
InnAtElmwood Posted 5 months ago
I agree that graffiti, tagging and murals aren’t architecture. There are lots of groups here just for those genres.
Let’s get that firmly stated in our rules.
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naromeel Posted 4 months ago
To me the nuance is whether the picture captures the whole building or just the graffiti. My personal definition of a mural is a large scale covering all of a side of a building adding a characteristic to the building/architecture. While graffiti are non-commission tags on a building and this alone should not qualify for this group particularly if the entirety of the building is not the focus.
mkk707 Posted 4 months ago
To me, it's quite clear. The terms "architecture" and "architect" go together. Architecture is what the architect created.

If someone spray-paints a mess onto the walls, that's not part of the architect's design. It doesn't have a place here. (It doesn't have a place anywhere, but that's just an aside)

If someone lets a house go to ruin through neglect, that's not part of the architect's design and shouldn't have a place here. There are groups specifically for that, I should think.
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WalrusTexas Posted 4 months ago Edited by WalrusTexas (admin) 4 months ago
mkk707:
A neglected building still illustrates architectural design—choice of materials; layout; fitness for purpose; cost v. longevity; a period style; &c. Egyptian and Mayan Pyramids, the Coliseum, Castles on the Rhine, but also abandoned gas stations and convenience stores in the American West, empty storefronts; &c.

For example, “Renovate Me”, the title taken from stenciled graffiti at top center:
Renovate Me
mkk707 Posted 4 months ago
WalrusTexas:

You do have a point there.
mkk707 Posted 4 months ago
Seems we visited the same place. :-) I wouldn't say the architecture takes centre-stage here, though.

Sounds like a good idea
InnAtElmwood Posted 4 months ago Edited by InnAtElmwood (member) 4 months ago
mkk707:

No, it’s not center stage
philipgmayer Posted 4 months ago
I don't like when Listed Buildings get large graffiti murals put on them.
In Liverpool there is a former bank in glorious isolation with a huge 'muriel' on both side walls.
Once a building is mutilated in this way, there's no way back to how it used to be.
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WalrusTexas Posted 4 months ago
mkk707:
Wan’t Bratislava great? Had not been there before, probably could have spent several days.
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WalrusTexas Posted 4 months ago
philipgmayer:
The whole point of Listing is preservation, right? Unfortunate that it wasn’t sufficient there.
There are other cases; e.g., BLU’s social protest murals in blighted Bolognese neighborhoods, where the murals call attention to the need for investment in the area.