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flat5 Posted 14 years ago Edited by Poagao (admin) 13 years ago
Drop one image per week. If you post another image before a full seven days expires your image may be deleted. Post medium size: go to "Share", copy and paste the Medium 500 size in the window.

"You don't need to be too constructive, but you know, some insults are cool, and some not."

Don't post your image until someone has posted a review of the last image in the thread. If you post an image before the previous image is reviewed, your image may be deleted. Also, post medium sized images only. Small images are difficult to judge fairly, and you will receive much better critique with something that is a decent viewing size.

attn: regulars.. just do your thing for now
attn: others .. copy what the regulars do.. or ask.. or watch

so who's gonna post the first masterpieceofcrap in this fresh thread?

[Edit]

So since I killed the last one, i may as well weigh in here. Personally, what I'd like to see, what I think would be more beneficial to the regulars, the casual lurker, and the drive-by-dumpers -- would be to see a little more depth.

More depth in the thought it takes to post a picture --

Why are you posting it? Because it's the best of a shoot? Because you're trying to say a certain thing? Because it has elements you're happy with? Because you're not sure why it doesn't quite work for you? Why, why, why is it here?

and more depth in the critique --

So what you have overlapping figures? So what the highlights are blown? So what it's static? So fucking what! Why does it absolutely kill the picture and relegate it to a dying hard drive or neg holder? There are examples of every faux pas in existence where the photograph still works, so why doesn't this one?

You can dump your photos and get shiny gif awards and smacks on the back from a ton of groups on flickr. You're posting it here, because to an extent, you care what the locals here think. Act like it. Give it your best on both ends.

You don't need a literal pro and con list. You're not sitting with your significant other mapping out your five-year plan. Relax, but take it serious, and make this into a resource that can be learned from.

-Jared

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spingitore di cavalieri Posted 14 years ago
Thank you buddies for all the valuable critiques.
--> VM: i like it, you know. Talking in HCSP way, maybe it lacks a better and wider composition IMHO
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justinsdisgustin Posted 14 years ago
Dapperado, there is a one photo a week limit. Not a one photo every 6 days thing. I dont think anybody really gives a shit, but that is the rule.
Dapperado Posted 14 years ago Edited by Dapperado (member) 14 years ago
I have an alert on my phone for HCSP posts (sad but true), I must have posted my last one a day or so later than usual I remember there were no gaps every time I went to post. Another protocol that seems to be breached often, sorry it wasn't intended to offend.
Patrick Keegan Posted 14 years ago Edited by Patrick Keegan (member) 14 years ago
Dapperado, I'm not trying to be smart or anyting, but what am I to get out of this picture? I've looked at it large, and I'm a bit lost. Am I missing something?|?
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justinsdisgustin Posted 14 years ago
No harm, no foul. It just has to be said once a month so people dont get greedy needy.
ESchon Posted 14 years ago Edited by ESchon (member) 14 years ago
Street life :

Quotidien - Street life

Thank for your comment,
Dapperado Posted 14 years ago Edited by Dapperado (member) 14 years ago
Vaguely Manly:- it was a bit of a play on the Indian (Sitting Bull?) and the child sitting, I liked the triangles in the umbrella's and the triangular shadow in the doorway the books stands on the left continue the triangles. Some blow outs that I wasn't happy with but I was happy with the composition. I have been floating around HCSP for a period now and learning a lot, I also have been buying plenty of photography books in second hand stores and can't get enough of them, they stimulate my creativity. I can visualise the shots I want and find I am hitting the shutter far less now and looking for quality (unsuccessfully some may say:-)) I will persevere.
123regina.tumblr.com Posted 14 years ago
dapperado: if what you are going for is the scene in the background, that should be the part of the photograph that is properly exposed.
eschon: the arm in front of the face is not enough. a bit closer and a top half that is more interesting would have helped.
Patrick Keegan Posted 14 years ago
Hi Dapperado. Okay I get it now, but maybe the connection between the book and the child is a little bit tenuous? I think it would have been very difficult to correctly expose both the interior of the bookshop and the bright exterior, and what Regina says is correct. Keep on keeping on.
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justinsdisgustin Posted 14 years ago
Sitting Bull sitting child, a little tenuous? I would call that shitting bull, personally. And the triangles? Okay, lets pretend, like you say, you visualized the shot you wanted to take. What is the connection between the triangles and the kid on the floor? And the native on the book jacket? There isnt any.

@ESchon we all know what street life looks like. 99.9 percent of the time it looks fucking boring. The trick of SP is to make something interesting out of it.
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Poagao Posted 14 years ago
attention
[theoria] Posted 14 years ago
@Poagao
Mere interaction between people on the street isn't enough for a good photo.
Gianni M Posted 14 years ago Edited by Gianni M (member) 14 years ago
Here's what I fear may be a hyper-cliche-type shot (and alas, faceless to boot) for your consideration. Speaking of which, thanks for last week's comments to those who made them :).

Engrossed
Gianni M Posted 14 years ago
Poagao, I like the umbrellas and the gaze of the pregnant lady, but find it difficult to decipher the gentlemen's hands tangle even when looking at it in large format.
Dapperado, 'tenuous' seems indeed a rather bland understatement. It's even difficult to make out the shape of the child, never mind the rest.
ESchon, both the scene and the angle from which it is caught seem scarcely appealing.
Patrick Keegan Posted 14 years ago
Hey - I was trying to be nice!
Gianni M Posted 14 years ago
This was evident, VM :).
Dapperado Posted 14 years ago
Gianni M- Pot meet Kettle.
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Poagao Posted 14 years ago
Thank you all for your thoughts.
zenlibra Posted 14 years ago
Poagao, I like the interaction of the people in front and the woman with the umbrella in the background. I just wish the men in the background weren't there and the woman in the background was more toward the centre. I really like your style.
justiceimages Posted 14 years ago
ESchon Posted 14 years ago
Thank for your comment.
.:Josh:. Posted 14 years ago
Joris, you forgot to let people talk about the last image...
modern ghost [deleted] Posted 14 years ago
Josh, you are right. I'll wait my turn.
Mike OSullivan Posted 14 years ago
justiceimages, i like shots that take advantage of natural light amongst heavy shadows. its a little bit 'trent parke'. i don't like the fact that you can just about see another person sat in a chair. i'd have burnt them out if it was me.
Mike OSullivan Posted 14 years ago


i don't normally shoot from behind people, so it would be interesting to hear what people think of this
modern ghost [deleted] Posted 14 years ago
Mike OSullivan, the boy playing soldier with the rifle is interesting, but I miss some interaction between his war game and something else. Now he is just shooting up, out of the frame.
Tony Martin (NT) Posted 14 years ago
Gianni M - The hat match is good, it's just not a really strong image. The framing is a bit wide, the top and right hand third are pretty much dead space and the blown out white in the top right is something you want to avoid.

Justice - it's a nice enough image. A bit on the static side and that second chair in the shadow is untidy. The highlight in the top right corner could also be sliced off. Otherwise I like it for it's minimalist approach and the fact the dude has a fucking great hair cut.

Mike - mega meh. Way messy, overlapped, nothing but backs (which can work but not here), your subjects are way crowded and it's just a kid doing what kids do with no real aplomb. Those power lines are potentially interesting, I'd have looked for what I could do with them.
spingitore di cavalieri Posted 14 years ago
Mike --> a really nice background with warm colors but there is not a " moment ", just the backs and the shooting kid without its prey..
hobb3 Posted 14 years ago
hello, again
this time i got closer and excluded dead space, any better?

frankiesinclair Posted 14 years ago
hobb3: I don't think you had a real feel for the place, because you had those brilliant circles on the furniture but you chopped one in half. I think they could have made the picture.

justice: I like the one person in the dark. It's like two sides to an argument. It would have been good if they were arguing / in heated discussion rather than looking at you.

gianni: jaunty but lacking mystery.

poagao: pregnant woman nice. It's good that you got some layering with the umbrella woman. The reversal of the colour and pattern on the umbrella ladies is nice. Don't like the messy background men.
[theoria] Posted 14 years ago
OK, here is mine
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[theoria] Posted 14 years ago
hobb3. Looks more like an ordinary family snapshot than street photography.

Mike OSullivan. The only thing that doesn't work is precisely the fact that the boy is not facing the camera. Otherwise, it would have been a teriffic shot. I would really like to see his facial expression.

justiceimages.Why would it be interesting for me to look at those two guys, that are just sitting?
hobb3 Posted 14 years ago
frankie, i can see those circles now, but frankly speaking i did not notice them during the capture. It is a valid point. Too bad, it feels like a family snapshot, i thought I showed a moment in life. I like the baby and the girl with the menu and the interaction between her and a mother + a contrasting lack of interaction on the father-and-son side of the table. There are some people in the background that do not merge with the main subjects and they occupy the top of the frame - I heard someone pointing out that it helps with multi- character shot. Gee, street photography is really difficult, so many things that play a part to make a successful shot.
frankiesinclair Posted 14 years ago Edited by frankiesinclair (member) 14 years ago
yOu gOt tO lOOk Out Of thOse binOcular hOles On yOur bOnce clOsely

did you see those?!

edit I just added bold to make sure. waiting for the bath water to warm up. why is a bath luke warm even when it's 27º in my flat?
iltubo1 Posted 14 years ago
Hi all. I am new here. Thanks to those that will be so nice to comment this with me

IMG_0891 by iltubo1
humdrum jeans [deleted] Posted 14 years ago Edited by humdrum jeans (member) 14 years ago
iltubo: "Don't post your image until someone has posted a review of the last image in the thread."

[theoria] I'd have liked it framed better and more front on with the frame disecting the middle of the image, shoes on the right and man on the left. i like that he's pointing at the camera though.
two cute dogs Posted 14 years ago
iltubo

aside from the strange colour, i think it needs something more interesting than a towel on the right hand foreground. i'd like to see better spacing between the laundry and the parasol, oh something in the middle too.
Rrrryan Posted 14 years ago
TCD
So basically, you want to look at something entirely different? I kid, I kid
glossy run [deleted] Posted 14 years ago
This seems like the perfect place to be eviscerated, so thanks in advance for your honesty.

[https://www.flickr.com/photos/backseatstreet/5999730313/in/photostream]
glossy run [deleted] Posted 14 years ago
btw, iltubo:

Your setting for the photograph is excellent, I just don't think your camera captured the best moment that took place there. I'd love to see the person hanging the laundry, juxtaposed with a carefree beach background. Nice idea!
Alex Coghe Posted 14 years ago
DISTRITO FEDERAL-2157

Maybe the people behind?
Sixft Whiterabbit Posted 14 years ago
FFS, cameras don't capture moments, photographers do.
Dapperado Posted 14 years ago
To the new guys allow some time in between posts for comments and post your picture larger go to the T drop down on your picture and Grab the HTML/BBCode in at least medium I'd go large. Your work will then be shown in a better light hopefully :-)
123regina.tumblr.com Posted 14 years ago
a picture nees more than a person pointing a finger/riffle at something or sitting in a patch of light. with pretty much all photograohs on this page i am wondering: what made you decide to take a picture? and why at exactly that moment and in that frame?
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Poagao Posted 14 years ago
Regina, in my case it was the reaction of the two men to the woman with the umbrella, as well as the expression of the pregnant woman, as well as the approach of the similarly patterned umbrella woman in the background. I took a few shots but I like the expressions in this one the best, despite the overlaps.
Skye Nott Posted 14 years ago
"We all know what street life looks like. 99.9 percent of the time it looks fucking boring. The trick of SP is to make something interesting out of it."

Haha that's good, I'm saving that.
frankiesinclair Posted 14 years ago Edited by frankiesinclair (member) 14 years ago
iltubo: you have picked an good subject. Big knickers on a washing line on a beach in front of a beautiful scene (St Malo?) is funny. And the bin with they guy could also be funny in such a setting. But you haven't used it enough to your advantage. I think you needed more washing line and an interesting moment with a person nearer the camera to juxtapose. If you had moved around so that the island showed more clearly as well as the washing.
Did you move around taking lots of pictures, thinking about everything in the frame?
Mark L Edwards Posted 14 years ago Edited by Mark L Edwards (member) 14 years ago
For me the test of a good SP is like any other form of photograph does the image hold the eye so that you give the photograph more than a cursory glance. Does it engage your brain by making you think or provide amusement in some way. Can it communicate the feelings of the photographer about the scene or evoke some emotion.

There is obviously going to be some difference of opinion in that respect as you will never get a 100% consensus.

For me Alex's shot I would say yes to a degree does hold me eye as I am interested in the reaction of the subject on the right and how he is balancing that packet of Doritos and also in the reaction / look of the woman behind. She looks like she is about to punch someone. I think I would like to have seen a little more of what is happening around them the crop is tight. However I tend to crop tight too, out of habit thinking get closer to the action and make it big in the frame.

The image above as previously stated is too small to see on this thread properly so requires going back to their Photostream. When I do I see it is too static with nothing of great interest to hold my eye. The scene would appear to have potential but it requires some added elements and maybe a watch and wait approach would have brought these in to the frame.
two cute dogs Posted 14 years ago
ryan - some of the things i pointed out could have been included with patience and better framing.

alex - not sure re your one. the woman at the back is annoying as she is framed by white which makes her stick out more. shot is a little too tight and the expression on the woman is boring.
iltubo1 Posted 14 years ago
to frankiesinclair: I took several pics, though the man was quite apart from the laundry. Despite the 35mm lens on that position I managed to keep a compact framing . Unfortunately nobody was hanging the laundry, so I could not juxtapose. Then in a matter of seconds, the man just disappeared. Thanks for commenting.
iltubo1 Posted 14 years ago
@ backseatstreet: closer could have been better. though it looks like you attracted a lot of attention, I am sure it was not an easy job
justiceimages Posted 14 years ago
Cheers Mike, Tony, Frankie and Theoria for your thoughts. @ Tony, how could i not take a photo of that guys amazing haircut? *cough*
defunct_process Posted 14 years ago
How about this? Cliche?748
zoonabar Posted 14 years ago
I think you mistyped it should have been...
"How about this cliche?"
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justinsdisgustin Posted 14 years ago
I dont think the problem is that this is a cliche. What would the cliche be exactly? I think the problem with this is the feeling that it is posed, and static, and maybe not that interesting unless you are really really into plastic cups.
krameroneill Posted 14 years ago
Yeah, it doesn't have much going on, which I know is very general and I say it a lot. I presume it's posed – not that some recognition of the photographer by the subject is necessarily a dealbreaker, but when that's the central/only human element, it's hard to think of it not as a portrait, albeit an obscured one. Other than that, there sure are a lot of cups.
defunct_process Posted 14 years ago Edited by defunct_process (member) 14 years ago
@justin and kramer: it is actually a totally spontaneous picture. I do not know the girl nor her family, and I did not ask her to play peek-a-boo; and the shot was taken @ an indoor refreshment stand @ an Ohio college I was visiting. On the other hand, I agree that it fits the portrait category, although in a rather unconventional way... a portrait of an eye within a triangular frame, to be more precise. I thought it was kind of original and different, but I may be wrong.
.:Josh:. Posted 14 years ago
Too many tiny pictures on this page

Alex - I like the flash work but the advertising by doritos and alex really doesn't work for me.

Defunct - More portrait than street

Mine for this week
West Seattle-2

I like the light, the geometry and the waves of sand.
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justinsdisgustin Posted 14 years ago
defunct - th eye framed by the triangle is a nice detail, but it is really the only interesting part of a much larger, and I am sorry to keep saying, much more boring image. The setting thsat you describe is not apparent in the image and so, for the sake of discussion, irrelevant. Unconventional? Perhaps. But captured in an overtly conventional manner. Sorry to be so negative, that is just how it looks to me.
defunct_process Posted 14 years ago
@justin: I respect your opinion, dude. Thanks.
Mark L Edwards Posted 14 years ago Edited by Mark L Edwards (member) 14 years ago
@defunct - I can't see a cliche?? I think the image needs to be worked some more with some additional elements of interest I can see you have taken time to get the angle to show her eye through the gap but it needs something extra. Not street photography more portraiture. Perhaps an idea to explore further in the studio

Josh the light has cast some strong shadows but the sand ripples have been diminished by the flare. Only backs of the people, hard to make that interesting for the viewer. Rarely makes for a highly interesting shot when you can't see any of their faces unless the back view provides some insight or visual comment. Maybe if you had been lower and in one of their shadows and their drinks they are holding had been visible with the light shining through it may have created a more visually arresting image and made the contrast range easier to contain.

Leg-Over
Leg-Over
Lou Star Posted 14 years ago
Bar
Primitive J Posted 14 years ago
Lou; Nothing catches my interest here. There's no interaction between the 3 individuals. Also feels a bit compressed or "cut off".

Mark; Torn here. I like the leg - lots of legginess. Just find the framing a bit flat, if that makes any sense.
Jim Austin Jimages Posted 14 years ago Edited by Jim Austin Jimages (member) 14 years ago
@Poagao re: ATTENTION

I think it works. It doesn't matter whether others can "read" or decipher it.** The point, and only question, is :Is it good and valid Street Photography. ?

Yes. Why? You have engaged the viewer with interaction, shape, and tone. I also read a motif: ROUND. The pregnant belly, umbrella, no parking sign in back, and round motorcycle tires. Yes, we can analyze all the geometry after the fact, and wonder if it was intentional, but thinking of your other fine work on this thread, it doesn't matter.

To my reading, the image works.

( ** if you put as much attention into reading an image as Poagao does in making them, its clear that possibly the two guys are sharing a cell phone camera picture...which, then, lets this be another post modern picture within a picture)
quiet sneeze [deleted] Posted 14 years ago
P1010858
Gianni M Posted 14 years ago Edited by Gianni M (member) 14 years ago
JD, thank you - for reasons unknown I had missed the cellphone all together, even though I looked at the large version of the pic. The only thing I can think of is that my monitor needs calibration and it camouflaged with the body of the car. Now it makes a lot more sense. My bad.
Dapperado, Tony and Frankie, gotcha - thanks for the comments.
Rrrryan Posted 14 years ago Edited by Rrrryan (member) 14 years ago
Sylvie
Did you post this in the image critique thread by accident?
You know that people should be prevalent in the images when they're posted to a group in which people are the main focus?
This is almost so obviously an attempt at trolling that I'm tempted to think that you're being sincere.
ESchon Posted 14 years ago
Rue de Rivoli, Paris.

Quotidien - 02 August 2011
senor evez Posted 14 years ago
theoria's shot was a bit back but imo was a unfairly skipped.
I really like this one, especially in the hope that it's part of a wider project. There's a cool moment there, clever and interesting framing which is almost environmental portrait like and a cool high-ish iso film look to the fot.
Is it an area you work in a lot, is there a set that it belongs to (I s'pose I should just look)? Anyway, I like it.
senor evez Posted 14 years ago
k, just looked and see that it's in a mixed set called 2011 so that's my only neg' crit. I would have liked to have seen maybe all the stuff you have from Bucherest together.
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Poagao Posted 14 years ago
Vaguely Manley I never knew Asimov had such great taste in shorts.

hobb3 The holes are not worth sacrificing the rest of the shot for.

[theoria] This might have been interesting a moment before or after, but you got nothing here.

ALEX COGHE PHOTOGRAPHER No, the people in front.

defunct_process Are you a mason, perchance?

Jimages Digital That's quite an extensive analysis, thanks for taking the time.
senor evez Posted 14 years ago Edited by senor evez (member) 14 years ago
@paogao re: theoria's shot
I'm not surprised you think that that shot got 'nothing' because you probably both have a very different idea of what 'something' is. It can be equally valid though.
pierogi love Posted 14 years ago
Baby

Hello, I'm a big beginner so don't be shy to gun me down in criticism so I can get better !
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Poagao Posted 14 years ago
senor evez Uh, yes? I'd think that was obvious. Or did you write something else, think better of it and just change it to this?
senor evez Posted 14 years ago
no..edited spelling. yep...you are right, it is obvious. Just don't agree that he got nothing with that shot but so what.
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Poagao Posted 14 years ago
Well, I'm not dictating dictionary definitions here; everything I say on such a subjective topic is my opinion, just like that of everyone else.
senor evez Posted 14 years ago
cool
defunct_process Posted 14 years ago Edited by defunct_process (member) 14 years ago
@Poagao: finally somebody noticed it!
Julien Legrand Posted 14 years ago Edited by Julien Legrand (member) 14 years ago
123regina.tumblr.com Posted 14 years ago
julien: sometimes its clever to have something deviding the frame. soemtimes it just makes you think "why?"

antispam: one of the hardest things to learn in sp, in my opinion, is to get a frame that at one hand looks dynamic and spontaneous, but on the other, at further glance, has everything in the right place. yours is the opposite: the framing is very static and the details (like lady on the left's head) are lost in the background. the pointless square crop and b&w conversion don't do much good either.
Julien Legrand Posted 14 years ago
well... the story is in the eye looking at the pole, as if this one was right in his face.
There's no crop, and it is B&W film... :-/
modern ghost [deleted] Posted 14 years ago
antismap: too static, makes it boring. No relation between the people.

Julien: I'm missing the point of the picture. To me it is just a guy with a metal pole in front of him. I would have liked to see more of his face, now its just the eye.
modern ghost [deleted] Posted 14 years ago
here is one of my photographs:

untitled

I wonder what you think.
senor evez Posted 14 years ago Edited by senor evez (member) 14 years ago
@ Joris
"Julien: I'm missing the point of the picture. To me it is just a guy with a metal pole in front of him. I would have liked to see more of his face, now its just the eye. "
now there is not even an eye???
modern ghost [deleted] Posted 14 years ago Edited by modern ghost (member) 14 years ago
senor: do you mean to say that because in Juliens specific photograph i wanted to see his face, i should include faces in my own photography?
.:Josh:. Posted 14 years ago
He is saying to look at your own photograph with the same eye Julis.

I see the color play, but that is all there is. You need a pigs head or a duck or something to really get this going, and the guys face.
Julien Legrand Posted 14 years ago
ok, I tried this topic, it was the first and last time :-)
succinct digestion [deleted] Posted 14 years ago
does this qualify as street?

Mark L Edwards Posted 14 years ago
Joris This did make me smile as it reminded me of my kids when they were very small and they were playing hide and seek. You can't see me because I can't see you.

Photographically it is correctly exposed and well processed but can't see why the scene caught your eye. I would be interested to know what stopped you and made you take this shot?
Tony Martin (NT) Posted 14 years ago
Grumpy - does it qualify as street? Of course it does. Is it good street? It had potential but is way too cluttered. You need to work on separating out your subjects so as to cut out the overlaps.

The dude does have a fucking great hair cut, I'll pay that.
defunct_process Posted 14 years ago
@ Tony: I am surprised you failed to notice that the gal has a fucking great hair cut too... although she needs a trim.

@ESCHON: apologies, it was rude to ignore your shot. I actually like it. The bright pink scooter, the almost-evenly-spaced figures, even the little man in the pedestrian light. Maybe the lamp post on the left is a little too much. The neutral expressions of the figures and the lack of interaction is a minus, but the photo is pretty good imho.
modern ghost [deleted] Posted 14 years ago
Mark: Indeed, could have added some more info. I stopped and took the shot because of the 'yellow delay/echo' on the grey background and floor.

TheGrumpyPhotog: I like the scene and colors. I think the kites also make for a nice background. Too bad though that there is overlap between the 2 persons and the booths. I think this makes it a bit messy.
walkinghead Posted 14 years ago Edited by walkinghead (member) 14 years ago
Git-Er-Done
Git-er-done
succinct digestion [deleted] Posted 14 years ago
Thanks, guys, will do that. i gotta admit, it was his hairdo that let me grope for my camera in the first place. the overlap is definitely a let- down.
.:Josh:. Posted 14 years ago
(you forgot to wait for a comment on the image above yours phoenixx)

i like the photo walking, but a horizontal framing and a step back would have helped a ton.
prakhor Posted 14 years ago Edited by prakhor (member) 14 years ago
Ho, sorry 'bout that.... Been editing the link and somebody posted while I did. Sorry walkinghead.
calculating fruit [deleted] Posted 14 years ago
ESchon: The man's dark back is a little distracting, but it's a nice picture. I looked at your photostream and love your style. Great pictures!!
ESchon Posted 14 years ago
(Thank defunct_process & Thom Q for your comment)
prakhor Posted 14 years ago Edited by prakhor (member) 14 years ago
Ok, here's my stuff, sorry walkinghead for posting too soon.

My first post here :

La carte postale

Guy seemed very happy reading that postcard.
LeandroSartori Posted 14 years ago
Phoenixx:

I like your photo, great moment, he looks like reading a postcard from kin, nice composition, BW convertion is cool too.

Congratulations!
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